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Buying on the 'net?

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How do I know who to trust ?

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How do I know who to watch out for?

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Why isn't anything done to stop the "nonsense" ?

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I'm only one person.  What can I do ?

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He says...She says...Does ANYONE know anything out there ?

Buying on the 'net?

If you're like most people, you may be more than just a little nervous about purchasing your vintage pens and watches (or any item) over the internet. This is certainly something we can understand. For many years before the Internet "caught on", we were offering our items for sale via mail order. We are completely aware of the fact that it can be difficult to buy an item without actually being able to physically examine it first. Add to that the fact that  literally anyone can put up a web site or use an online auction and the fact that honesty, integrity, experience and knowledge are not requirements to do so - it gets pretty confusing. 

Everywhere we go, everyone is talking about buying on the internet.  Unfortunately, most of what we hear is not good.  The majority of people we talk to are "getting burned" and finding that the bargain they thought they found online was no bargain at all.

It is now more important than ever that collectors become informed buyers.  What does that mean?  It means that now you not only have to research your field of collecting, you also need to research the people you are buying from.  With everyone from "Fleamarket Freddy" to "Garagesale Gerty" hanging out their "cyber shingle"  it's important to remember that, as always, actions speak louder than words. 

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How do I know who to trust ?

With literally thousands of items & dealers to choose from, it's getting to be near impossible to know for sure.  Who to trust is something the buyer has to learn and, without a doubt, trust is something a seller has to earn.

Ask question.  Dig below the surface. On the internet, if someone has it in them to be dishonest there is nothing to stop them.  For example:

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Recently, we were informed that someone else - a person known to us - was using our pictures & descriptions to list their items with an online auction service.  We can only imagine what items the buyers actually received when all was said and done.

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Another person - again, known to us  - is using one of the many free hosting services to publish a site which claims they have a 3,000 square foot facility & have been established for 25 years.  In truth, they have been in the business for just over a year & work out of a spare bedroom. 

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Items that we have examined personally & know to be in poor or irreparable condition are constantly being found listed with online auction services by general line antique dealers and described as in excellent condition. 

We have been specializing in vintage pens & watches for nearly 12 years and are committed to providing fully disclosed, accurate description on  items that are guaranteed 100%. We pride ourselves on having established long lasting relationships with hundreds of satisfied customers world-wide and are happy to provide professional references upon request.

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How do I know who to watch out for?

If you read a  description on a web site or an online auction - and see the words: "I don't know much about......." or "I am not an expert in........" you should immediately start asking several hundred questions (O.K. - so, maybe just a hundred or two).  If they truly do not know anything about the item, they are not going to tell you what may be wrong with it.  

Unfortunately, many people use these lines as an excuse.  You don't need to be an expert to know things are not produced in factories with teeth marks, dents or initials that appear to be carved with a pocket knife.  More than likely, these will be the same people with the "as is" & "no returns" statements (they know ALL about those).

If a seller does not have an established return policy stated somewhere on their site or auction, ask them specifically if you can return an item: 

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If you decide to purchase the item, keep their answers on hand in case you need them.

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Why isn't anything done to stop the "nonsense" ?

Who's going to make up the rules & who's going to enforce them.  They internet is world-wide.  There simply isn't a law enforcement agency capable of patrolling it. Yes, online auctions have rules & web host providers have regulations but the fact of the matter is they do little to help when a problem arises - very little. Why?  Because web host providers & online auctions don't collect their fees from the consumers.  They collect them from the sellers who use their services.

In most cases, if you are dissatisfied with an item or a seller, the cost involved in "righting the wrong" will far outweigh the original cost of the item.  And, don't think the sellers don't know it.  We attend auctions only to hear the people in front of us bragging about how they "stuck" a customer by claiming to be able to prove an item was not scratched/dented/ whatever when it left their possession. As soon as one of them is done telling his story, another chimes in with a similar story of their  own. They are perfectly aware of the fact that most buyers will just give up & take the loss rather than go through the seemingly endless paperwork involved in fighting the matter legally.

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I'm only one person.  What can I do ?

Use your voice.  There a tons of online forums - many with special sections devoted to postings regarding "the good guys" and "the bad guys".  If you've had a bad experience, don't be afraid to let other collectors know about it. After all, don't you wish someone had warned you?  Just be certain that you can back up your statements - make sure all comments are based on fact & not emotion, keep copies of all emails & other information related to the transaction.

Likewise, if you've found a particular seller to be trustworthy & reliable - speak up.  Many collectors are reluctant to do this.  They are afraid someone else will beat them to "the good stuff" next time.   While this too is certainly understandable - don't you wish someone had pointed you in the right direction a little bit earlier?

The old "and he tells two friends & they tell two friends" works BOTH ways - with one exception: bad news travels faster.  We've worked hard to build our reputation & wouldn't dream of tarnishing it at this late date.  Our best advertisements are our customers.

In the end, it is the buyer who has the final word.  Use your voice and stand up for your fellow collectors.  After all, isn't that the best thing about collecting - the people who share your interests?  Think about it. Wouldn't your collection be a lot less fun if there weren't others to share it with.  Just imagine no shows, no meets, no clubs, no forum, no chats - just you & your pens or watches (or whatever) and nobody to run to, with all the excitement that a non-collector can never understand, and say "Guess what I got!?". It just wouldn't be the same.  

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He says...She says...Does ANYONE know anything out there ?

Scratching your head over this one? Well, this is the way we get the question put to us so It's the way it's getting put up. 

There is much confusion over "this book/person/website says this" but "that book/person/website says that".  Keep in mind that SOME  books & web pages are written by people who may be new to the hobby and have little more than a passing knowledge of the subject at hand.  Many are based on knowledge gleaned solely from reading other books & websites. Just because something is repeated over & over again does not mean it is true.  A man once said the earth was flat & many people repeated that bit of information.  Guess what.  The world is still round.

Many vintage items - especially items that were used on a daily basis (as pens & watches were) - have been repaired over the years.  Many have had parts replaced.  The only way to know for sure if an item is original or has "factory repairs" is by learning, doing & seeing first hand.  While web sites & books are great  & supply a wealth of knowledge, there is much that can never be learned from either.

We have spent countless hours researching the items we buy, sell & collect.  This not only includes years "in the field" but also spending numerous hours in the US patent library and establishing our own personal library of vintage catalogs, advertising & original manufacturer's factory records. Hopefully, someday, we will be able to share some of that information here.  As for right now, that's a mountain this webmaster is not quite ready to climb. 

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